"Sterilizing immunity is not induced by any of the vaccines so the fact that infection still occurs is not surprising but the immunity that is generated, which includes the non-neutralizing antibodies and T-cells that are less tested for, ensures that disease is minimised."
- #ProfIanJones, Professor of Virology, University of Reading
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE2108/S00179/waning-immunity-to-covid-19-expert-reaction.htm
- #ProfIanJones, Professor of Virology, University of Reading
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE2108/S00179/waning-immunity-to-covid-19-expert-reaction.htm
LukeAlmighty π¨πΏ
•Anything new?
Strypey
•Strypey
•https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/450352/new-zealand-woman-s-death-may-be-linked-to-rare-vaccine-side-effect-report
Gamayun π€
•Strypey
•@wolf480pl@bigblen
Gamayun π€
•https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/
Estimates would be that you are at least 6-10 times more likely to develop myocarditis in association with the infection. Note than vaccine related cases are much more likely to be properly identified, confirmed with autopsy etc. The clinical outcomes are also much better.
@wolf480pl@bigblen
πEliot B
•https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2021/the-whole-truth-covid-19-vaccine/#/1203257982/covid-19-is-more-likely-to-cause-myocarditis-than-the-vaccine-is
From this article
"the monitoring board found myocarditis probably caused a womanβs death.
The board pointed out, however, that the woman also had other medical issues at the same time, which could have had a role to play.
...
A recent study of Israel data found the risk of suffering myocarditis after catching Covid-19 far outweighed the risk from vaccination."
Strypey
•Even when this data is sorted by age group and other relevant risk factors?
Wolf480pl
•JC Brand
•The main argument I see for taking the vax for low risk people (anyone under 40 without comorbidities), is to keep others safe.
However, since you can still transmit the virus when vaxxed (and not less so, since virus load in nose/throat is still the same), the argument looks invalid to me.
Even worse, vaxxed people probably have fewer symptoms, so might be out more and spreading their viral load even more than symptomatic unvaxxed.
Strypey
•This! So any reduction in total viral load in the vaccinated is like as not cancelled out by slower detection of any infections they get.
@wolf480pl
Gamayun π€
•Your condom can break too. Doesn't follow that your natural method of pulling out in time is just as good. R does not need to be 0 for the community to be protected - only less than one.
Hubert Chathi
Also, even if you do get infected, you're less likely to need to use hospital resources that someone else might need. A lot of surgeries here had to be cancelled because hospitals were too overwhelmed with Covid patients.
Strypey
•Could this not also be explained by fewer cases in the vaccinated being detected due to suppression of symptoms?
@gamayun
Gamayun π€
•@hubert
Strypey
•https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/106851035050376765
Doc Edward Morbius ββ
•GET THE VACCINATION
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•they significantly reduce your chances of becoming a carrier by making it significantly less likely you'll become infected, even with the delta variant
Strypey
•Q
•Hubert Chathi
from https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/501677-what-is-sterilizing-immunity-and-do-we-need-it:
"For example, the inactivated poliovirus vaccine does not produce sterilizing immunity and is 90 percent or more effective. A vaccine can lessen the ability of a pathogen to produce a disease response without sterilizing it."
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